Terminator Salvation (2009)
Region ALL Blu-Ray Review
22-11-2009 06:00  |  14162 views   |   Matt Shingleton   |   My Other Content
 
The Terminator franchise is one of the most iconic in Hollywood, but could it be, perhaps a tad overrated? I’ve got no problems raving until the cows come home about The Terminator being an extremely tense and economical action thriller in its own right, but I’ve always felt that the wheels were beginning to wobble off a little by the time Terminator 2: Judgment Day came trundling along. It provided some excellent action spectacle but always felt a touch too bloated and poorly paced to me. Of course, it’s a perfect masterpiece in comparison to Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, which just unimaginatively retreads the exact same beats as its predecessor. I would have been glad to see the franchise die a thousand deaths by the end of that one, but now the irritatingly named McG has stepped up to the plate to resurrect a fading film series with Terminator Salvation, which has the immediate advantage over part three in that it is providing the first act in the “Future War” story that James Cameron so evocatively eluded to in the first two films.

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In 2003 Marcus Wright, an inmate on death row, signs his body away to medical research mere minutes before his execution by lethal injection. He awakens 15yrs later to a world that has been severely scorched by the nuclear holocaust of Judgment Day, when the machines decided to wipe out their human masters. Marcus’ world is now just a pile of crumbled ruins, and he is soon drawn into the ongoing war between man and machine when he runs into resistance fighter Kyle Reese. He and Reese spark up an immediate friendship, but Reese is soon captured and transported to the machine’s headquarters. The only hope for Kyle is for Marcus to team up with resistance leader John Connor, who has been prophesised as the human race’s saviour thanks to his prior run in with Terminators sent back in time. Connor is in fact the son of an older Kyle Reese, who will eventually be sent back in time to save Connor’s mother from a T-800 Terminator on a mission to assassinate her and prevent John’s birth, so he has extra motivation to rescue Kyle, but when Connor and Marcus do eventually meet it is under extreme circumstances that forces the men into conflict rather than co-operation. With the fate of mankind in their hands, sacrifices will have to be made and uneasy alliances must be forged.

Ok, lets get this out in the open from the onset: McG is a cinematic thief of the most obvious kind. Watching Terminator Salvation is a bit like flicking through the highlights of your favourite post-apocalypse, war and sci-fi films. The setting is pure Mad Max, Skynet HQ is pure Blade Runner meets The Matrix, there are numerous flame-lit night time shots lifted from Apocalypse Now, the action finale with Connor and Reese in the belly of the enemy’s headquarters is basically Terminator 1&2 meets Aliens, but somehow McG makes the thievery work. He’s not as bland as a Brett Ratner or Paul W.S. Anderson, who just soullessly plunder from better filmmakers over and over again, he takes ideas and imparts his own style and attention to detail to them - plus he’s not afraid to take an established franchise in new directions – and more crucially he can actually direct a decent action sequence! Attributes that Jonathan Mostow sorely lacked when making Terminator 3.

Terminator Salvation is stylish, and it has some awesome attention to detail and neat little action rhymes with the first two films. Martin Laing really deserves a lot of credit because the production design is excellent, you can really feel the decimation of the nuclear holocaust and the war being fought on a very barren and worn-down front from both sides. I particularly like how McG presents the evolution of the Terminator towards the T-800 model, showing the oversized, cumbersome and degenerated earlier models that Reese would later tell Sarah Connor “they were easy to spot”. Also, when the T-800 does eventually make an appearance, it’s done so with a wonderful nod to the original films. Pacing is also never an issue because the film is never more than 15minutes away from the next whizz-bang, BOOM! action sequence, and it definitely ticks the box as far as action spectacle is concerned, doing justice as a follow up to Cameron’s work on Terminator 2.

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The problem is the script: It’s dumb, really dumb! The kind of script you end up with when a director is thinking “Ooh, that would be a cool idea! This would be an awesomely bad-ass moment!” without stopping to consider if he’s covered his tracks when it comes to the internal logic of the situation, so as you watch the film you start gathering up questions like a rolling snowball: Why is Kyle Reese No.1 on Skynet’s kill list, surely by this point in time they are unaware that he will eventually father John Connor? Why is John Connor so obsessed with maintaining the timeline when the whole philosophy imparted by his mother was that the future is not set - Doesn’t he have any faith that humanity will prevail without him? How come the resistance has so much technology at its disposal if Skynet nuked the planet? How come the terminators conveniently never go directly for the kill when in close combat with their targets? Why have Skynet created motorbike terminators that can be hacked in five seconds and comfortably ridden by a resistance fighter? How can Skynet create an average-sized cyborg body that so accurately replicates human functions that the user doesn’t know their body isn’t human any more, when their most advanced Terminator is a piston-controlled, lumbering brick shithouse? Why does Skynet just assume a human mind will side with them if the human’s body is mostly machine? The end result of all these niggling issues is to draw you out of the film. Much of the shady logic can be explained away if you really think about them and apply an awful amount of effort into an explanation – but a good script should make the explanations obvious and immediate. Terminator Salvation does not do that at all.

Of course most of these problems would have been addressed or removed entirely if it wasn’t for the decision to go with dual narratives that eventually intertwine. You may or may not have heard about the rather turbulent pre-production evolution of the script, but originally the idea was to focus on the Marcus Wright character and his Wizard of Oz style journey towards Skynet, starting off as a detached murderer and eventually learning what it means to be human through his interactions in the post-apocalyptic future. You can certainly feel the remnants of this early draft in the finished film, Marcus’ character arc is much more involving and ultimately frustrating whenever we cut away to John Connor - a role that originally should have been a minor supporting one, but once Christian Bale expressed interest in coming aboard as Connor the character was boosted to joint lead.

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There’s nothing wrong with boosting the Connor part in principle – he is after all supposed to be the series’ main protagonist – but McG and his writing staff don’t have much of a feel for the character and even less ideas on what to do with him. The end result is a very dull one-note characterisation where Connor just runs about looking grim and spouting on about how important it is to ensure he doesn’t die - in fact 90% of his dialogue in this film simply reiterates things that the audience already knows. The previous films established that Connor is an altruistic hero, but his motivations in Terminator Salvation are all ultimately self-serving, making it harder to sympathise with his cause. A good actor would be able to gloss over this weak characterisation, and Christian Bale is an excellent one, but his approach to characters can be so dour and serious it borders on pretentiousness, and he spends almost his entire time in Terminator Salvation furrowing his brow and growling like a man possessed. Sam Worthington and Anton Yelchin are much more charismatic as Marcus Wright and Kyle Reese respectively, but then they’ve been given better developed roles – particularly Yelchin, whose part is very similar to the John Connor of Terminator 2.

I think if Terminator Salvation had not been the fourth part of a franchise it would have garnered a lot less criticism, it is ultimately a pretty tight and enjoyable action thriller that simply suffers from the weight of expectation and the mythological commitments that are required from a new entry into an iconic film series.

Director’s Cut

McG originally envisioned and intended to release Terminator Salvation as an R-rated film, but as is the norm in Hollywood these days the studios told him to deliver a PG-13, which resulted in certain trims to sexualised content and violence. The Director’s Cut re-instates approximately 3minutes of excised footage, which has the effect of making the fight sequences slightly more violent, but also flow noticeably better. There are also edits/alternate takes for a few scenes here or there alongside some additional scenes, like an extension to the scene where John Connor first addresses the leaders of the resistance where Michael Ironside’s character puts a gun to Connors head to highlight that the prophecy about him can be broken in three seconds. The biggest addition is a semi-topless scene for Moon Bloodgood that feels completely unnecessary and doesn’t imply anything about Blair and Marcus’ relationship that you don’t pick up on from later events. Personally I prefer this slightly extended Director’s Cut purely for the extra violence that improves a couple of fight scenes.

Presentation

To assess the presentation of Terminator Salvation I first have to try and bore you with talk about file structure! Basically, on any Blu-ray disc you will find the feature film content in what are called MPEG-2 Transport Stream (.M2TS) files. Usually the entire feature can be found on one single M2TS file on the disc, but if the disc incorporates multiple versions of a film then they either have to repeat said film across multiple large M2TS files, or break the content up into numerous small ones and use branching to build up the multiple edits. This is what Sony have had to do with this Terminator: Salvation UK Blu-ray, as there are in fact 3 versions of the film on one BD-50 disc: Obviously you have the Theatrical Cut and Director’s Cut, but you also have the Maximum Movie Mode that presents the film with video commentary interruptions by the director: McG.

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This means two things; 1: It’s a royal pain taking screengrabs from this BD, and 2: The total 1080p content on this disc amounts to the complete Theatrical Cut + The extra segments to make up the DC + The McG video commentary segments. Now, obviously this is better than having the entire film repeated three times on the disc (which would add up to just under 6hrs of 1080p footage), but there still remains around 2hrs:38mins worth of 1080p footage on this disc. Combine this with the fact there are two high bitrate DTS-HD tracks accompanying all this footage (Original English and an Italian dub) and the end result is that all the Fulll-HD, AVC footage has an average video bitrate of just a touch under 20Mbps. This is low, and you can feel the strain frequently throughout the film (regardless of which version you’re watching) in the form of compression artefacts like banding and most gratingly: obvious blocking. Just watch the early sequence where John Connor is navigating the dark tunnels of the Skynet human observation lab (where we first see Marcus Wright’s body) and you’ll see annoying compression problems.

Aside from disappointing compression foibles, Terminator Salvation looks very nice. Both the Theatrical and Director cuts of the film present the same high-quality video, so I’ll just speak about both versions as one here: Colours are especially vibrant – I know, I know, the post-apocalyptic future look is bleached out and very muted, but there are many night time and dark interior sequences that are heavily lit with primary colours where the colours positively pop off the screen, and the only bleeding that is particularly noticeable is a tiny amount in the opening credits. In keeping with the gritty approach to the future world, grain ranges from a light, reasonably sharp layer to a very nicely defined thicker layer that really has a lovely texture to it, which alongside the occasional pop and fleck would suggest that the transfer hasn’t been nuked by noise reduction, but some FX heavy scenes do look unnaturally smoothed out - like when Marcus gets his first look of the post-apocalyptic world he’s woken up in.

For the most part the picture is suitably sharp, this is not the most detailed transfer on the medium but there is a very satisfying level of fine detail in both close ups and long shots. Edge Enhancements are in play throughout though, sometimes with noticeably thick halos. Given the bleached-out look of the film, contrast and brightness have a tendency to look blown out, which seem obviously in keeping with McG’s intentions, black levels are excellent and shadow detail is good. Really it’s just the compression issues that particularly irked me, and the main reason for that is because Warner Home Video’s upcoming US release will be giving both cuts of the film their own disc each. How much do you want to bet that the video bitrates for both versions will be considerably higher on that release?

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Audio comes in the form of a very meaty 24-bit English DTS-HD MA 5.1 track, and when the infamous Terminator bass line kicks in during the opening credits you know you’re in for a sonic assault. This is a really loud, bassy audio presentation, with the sound sometimes dropping so deep that it will find new recesses in your system - It certainly makes the action feel very, very forceful and weighty. Bass is just tremendously punchy and yet remains very tight, while dialogue is never drained out by the action, remaining audible and clean throughout thanks to impressive audio dynamics that provide solid clarity to each element of the sound. Directionality is particularly excellent, you’re placed right in the center of the action as all manner of sound effects go whizzing all around you, so this is a great disc for demonstrating a surround sound set up to anyone. There’s only two things stopping me from giving this audio track full marks: Some of the later scenes with Michael Ironside sound a little muffled, as if he’s delivering his lines into a plastic cup, which I can’t be certain is down to the original recording or not. The other is some minor tearing in dialogue in one or two places, usually during shouty moments.

Also present on the disc is an English 5.1 Audio Descriptive Track, which does exactly what you’d expect of it, and there is a 16-bit Italian DTS-HD MA track that is pretty close to its English counterpart, even the dub itself sounds pretty naturalistic! Optional subtitles are also included in English, English SDH, Italian, Danish, Finnish, Hindi, Norwegian, Swedish.

Extras

There’s not a tremendous amount of extra material on the disc, but we do see Sony branching out into new territory in how they present their extra features, let’s get started:

NOTE: Maximum Movie Mode aside, all extra features are presented in fullscreen 1080p AVC with English DD2.0 audio and optional subtitles in English and Italian.

Maximum Movie Mode: This is the core of the extra features, it’s basically the same thing as Universal’s U-Control function only you can’t choose to skip directly to the extras that appear over the film as you watch it. This aspect isn’t much of a nuisance as there is almost always some form of extra footage playing over the movie. The general gist of this feature is that it ultimately acts as a video commentary by providing info on all aspects of the production from almost the entire principle cast & crew. For instance McG has recorded a few video commentary segments where he appears on screen at certain moments in the film, with the feature playing in a window to his right, and production footage in a window to his left, he will then take us through the scene on the screen to his right and explain his goals. The Maximum Movie Mode function gives McG more versatility as a commentator because it allows him to pause the film at will and really go into depth about a single brief moment.

Other features that crop up in the Maximum Movie Mode are mini-production featurettes that appear as a pop-up prompting you to press enter and switch over to watching them (automatically returning to the film after you’re done), a timeline pop-up that gives info on when certain pivotal events in the Terminator universe occurred; and there are lots of Picture-in-Picture style vid-screens that provide a fair chunk of behind the scenes footage and input from the cast & crew.

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Sounds pretty nifty, right? There’s just the slight problem that it’s implemented absolutely appallingly! I own a Sony S350 player and I could barely play the Maximum Movie Mode at all unless I switched the audio output to mix instead of direct out, as the pop-ups would just freeze the film for a few minutes whenever they appeared. Setting the audio out to Mix allowed me to explore the Maximum Movie Mode properly, the pop-ups worked ok for the most part but from time to time they would cause the film to freeze until I hit rewind and play and watched the now seemingly-fixed pop-up play properly. Apparently this mode plays fine on a Playstation 3, but I shouldn’t have to own a PS3 in order to watch some extra features, and I certainly shouldn’t have to buy a new player to do so!

Reforging the Future: This is the closest you’ll get to finding a Making Of featurette on this disc. It starts off by focussing on the very impressive production design poured into the film and then switches to how the action and stunts were pulled off, before settling on CGI work. At 19minutes it is simply too short to be massively informative.

The Moto-Terminator: The motorbike Terminators get their own featurette about the original concept designs and evolution to the production of a finished model; we also get to look at the excellent digital double work they did on the bikes. This is a pretty cool extra feature that should prove a highlight for bike enthusiasts.

Focus Points: As the title suggests, what we have here is around 30minutes worth of mini-featurettes that offer a more focussed look at a specific aspect of the film’s production. There are 11 of them in total, covering a wide range of elements - like McG’s collaboration with the US Air Force for the use of their flying machines for the film, or a look at the pyrotechnics work on the film. The highlight is probably the “An Icon Returns” focus point, which takes a look at how a certain CGI model is pulled off (I’m trying to avoid spoilers, so I’ll just say this is the big CGI sequence of the final act). You can play the Focus Points separately or all in one, they also appear as part of the Maximum Movie Mode.

Trailers: No trailers of the film here, just ones for Blu-ray as a medium and Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines. The former is presented in MPEG-2 with DD5.1 audio, the latter is presented in the usual AVC/English DD2.0 combo.

Also present on the disc are BD Live features that allow you to download some mini-videos as well as Sony’s CineChat and MovieIQ features, but sadly I am not set up to receive them.

Overall

An engaging science fiction actioner that is let down by a sloppy script, Terminator Salvation nevertheless manages to banish the memory of Terminator 3 once and for all. Sony have provided a first rate presentation of the film on Blu-ray, but their extras are severely compromised by the decision to place most of the footage in their Maximum Movie Mode, which simply doesn’t work as it should do.

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#1 Posted: 22-11-2009 23:06
tonyleung
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"Why is Kyle Reese No.1 on Skynet’s kill list, surely by this point in
time they are unaware that he will eventually father John Connor?"


It's already happened remember. They should know everything that happened in T1-R3, they're set in the past.

"Why have Skynet created motorbike terminators that can be hacked in five seconds and comfortably ridden by a resistance fighter?"

I wondered about that one. It's ridden so easily, it's ridiculous.

The questions don't bother me though. Given it's time travel, all the Terminator films have gapping holes. I really enjoyed this, it's better than it should've been (it' McG!) and so much better than T3.

Bring on T5!

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#2 Posted: 23-11-2009 01:32
ShawnDuHast
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What about these then:

Why is the CGI so woefully bad...

Why is a film with this much action so boring...

Why... Oh I forgot it's a Part 4 enough said really...except...

Move along please there's nothing to see here...
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#3 Posted: 23-11-2009 09:40
captaineyecatch (tn)
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So i wonder if the US release has a better transfer as the Directors cut is on a seperate disc, so should allow for a higher bitrate??? The Movie mode might also work better???
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#4 Posted: 23-11-2009 10:06
Matt Shingleton
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Originally posted by tonyleung
"Why is Kyle Reese No.1 on Skynet’s kill list, surely by this point in
time they are unaware that he will eventually father John Connor?" It's already happened remember. They should know everything that happened in T1-R3, they're set in the past.

Skynet shouldn't be aware of the paradox at all because it didn't come online until after the previous Terminators were destroyed (well just before the 3rd one was), and it was built independantly from any of the Terminators or John Connor. Everything it learns about Connor it does so during the future war when he eventually emerges as a leadership figure.

You're sort of left to interpret T4 one of two ways in regards to this: One interpretation is that Skynet aren't aware that Kyle is Connor's dad, which is the reason why they don't try to kill him when they have the chance. The problem with this theory is that Kyle is No.1 on the kill list, above Connor. The other interpretation is that they are aware of the paradox and somehow they've gained knowledge of "future" events - which isn't too much of a stretch given the timeline has already been altered thanks to robots coming back from the future. The fact the script never addresses such a pivotal plot point is sloppy to say the least.
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#5 Posted: 23-11-2009 12:40
Seymour Cat
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Why hasn't Kate Connor (Née Brewster) gotten any older since T3? She's supposed to be a qualified vet in T3 which makes her at least 25 in 2004. By 2018 she would be pushing 40, if not there already. so why on earth was she played by 28 year old Bryce Dallas Howard?

I hated it BTW. McG is a hack.
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#6 Posted: 23-11-2009 17:21
tonyleung
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Originally Posted by captaineyecatch (tn):
So i wonder if the US release has a better transfer as the Directors cut is on a seperate disc, so should allow for a higher bitrate???

I was wondering this too. You'd presume so.

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Originally Posted by Matt Shingleton:Skynet shouldn't be aware of the paradox at all because it didn't come online until after the previous Terminators were destroyed (well just before the 3rd one was)

It would be fair to assume Skynet has a database containing the entire history of mankind though and it happened in the past. I take your point they'd not know given the paradox but it's equally fair to assume said database contains the terminators going back in time.

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Originally Posted by Matt Shingleton:The fact the script never addresses such a pivotal plot point is sloppy to say the least.

It would be very hard to address fully.

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#7 Posted: 23-11-2009 18:08
Matt Shingleton
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Skynet are not omniscient, they can only have a database of what existed in the realms of recorded Human knowledge, Kyle Reese being John Connor's father was almost certainly never recorded anywhere officially, and even if it was it was probably done before the Internet became the global entity it is now. I personally think the "future knowledge" is more plausible than Skynet knowing everything about everyone.
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#8 Posted: 24-11-2009 23:03
ARI-Boy
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Can somebody please confirm whether the UK release (including Play's Steel Casebook edition) definitely includes BOTH the Theatrical and Director's Cut versions? None of the retailer websites seem to list this or the respective running times, and upon looking at the sleeve in Blockbuster this evening it didn't seem to mention anything about having 2 versions. Needless to say the staff didn't know either....
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#9 Posted: 24-11-2009 23:21
badblokebob
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To quote the review:
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there are in fact 3 versions of the film on one BD-50 disc: Obviously you have the Theatrical Cut and Director’s Cut, but you also have the Maximum Movie Mode that presents the film with video commentary interruptions by the director
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#10 Posted: 25-11-2009 17:20
ARI-Boy
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Yes badblokebob, I did read that and naturally want it with all versions. It's just the cover sleeve I saw in Blockbuster (where I originally planned to buy it) had no mention of a theatrical cut, unless I've missed it somewhere, and a member of staff said they didn't see an option to choose the theatrical cut when they watched it.

I'm just looking to clarify that there's not an alternative version out there or the review copy is different in any way....
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#11 Posted: 25-11-2009 21:15
wamphyri71
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BE WARNED

The UK version will not play on SONY S300 models.

I have the latest Firmware.

The disc will load up to the main menu animations but will go no further. The Menu options do not appear and the animation just keeps repeating.

I tried everything to get it going, I even managed to get the selections to appear, but you could not highlight any to select them.

It works ok on a PS3.

Looks like i will be returning it and buying the USA version.
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#12 Posted: 26-11-2009 00:30
Matt Shingleton
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Originally posted by ARI-BoyI'm just looking to clarify that there's not an alternative version out there or the review copy is different in any way....
There is no alternate version, the staff in your local Blockbusters are mistaken, when you choose Play Film in the disc menu the option to choose Theatrical Version or Director's Cut pops up, you pick what you want to watch and away you go. For the purposes of the review I sat through both the Theatrical and the Director's cut (and the Maximum Movie Mode) so you can trust my info ARI.
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#13 Posted: 26-11-2009 13:24
Shoegeezer
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Originally posted by wamphyri71
BE WARNED

The UK version will not play on SONY S300 models.

I have the latest Firmware.



I've got a Sony S500 and it wouldn't play, thought I may have missed a firmware update (which was a massive pain in the backside last time as Sony would only allow it to be downloaded onto a PC and not a Mac). Any ideas of what to do? Not massively desperate as it's not a great film but want to be prepared in case it happens with something not so awful.
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#14 Posted: 27-11-2009 00:50
ARI-Boy
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Thanks Matt, for the clarification. I can now grab a copy with peace of mind :)
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#15 Posted: 27-11-2009 08:01
wamphyri71
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The only reason i can think for the disc not playing is that there is effectively 3 versions of the movie & the extras all on 1 disc and the older players cannot read such a full disc correctly (a bit like the old dvd18 issue).

The USA version is released on Warner and seems to be Region Free (and is cheaper!!). But the main difference is that the movies are on seprate discs.

So im taking a chance that it will work, otherwise im back to watching it on a smaller TV via a PS3.
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#16 Posted: 28-11-2009 17:44
bburdett
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My LG BD360 had to have an update to play the UK BD, the menu loaded but I couldn't select anything, no buttons on my remote/player had any effect apart from buttons which shouldn't work at menus i.e. FFWD which made the little red circle with a line through it appear. The need to keep on top of updating your hardware is the only annoyance I really have with blu-ray.
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#17 Posted: 30-11-2009 23:05
malcy
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Will be interesting to see if this plays on my Sony 360, getting next week with new TV.
Sony include Terminator as one of the freebie disk in their current promotions in Sony Centres, Blockbuster etc.

Not very clever if one of their own films does not work in their own player.
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#18 Posted: 05-12-2009 00:40
Robert Thomas
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The disc seems to be very touchy. Philips has already released a firmware update for their players. Oppo has a private beta.

Didn't see the movie. If T3 was (of course) a let-down compared to T1 and T2, at least it carried on Cameron's recurring themes, including a strong lead female character in Claire Danes, more than Terminator Salvation appears to be.

McG has absolutely no substance as a director. His style might appeal to people with short attention span but I'm fed up after two scenes.
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#19 Posted: 05-12-2009 21:01
tonyleung
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T3 copied Cameron's "chase movie" theme yet again. That's not carrying themes on. T3 took the comedy way too far, was hackneyed and basically a mess (except the ending). Claire Danes is a good actress but she wasn't given much to work with in T3.


McG ordinarily isn't a good director but here he did a decent job. At least it actually moves the story forward.

People really need to stop comparing T3 or T4 with T1 and T2!

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#20 Posted: 10-12-2009 18:06
wamphyri71
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Just to continue the playback issues....

Ive just recieved my USA version and it plays perfectly in my SONY S300.

So it does look like the issue is limited to the UK release.

The USA release is a 3 disc set with the 2 versions of the movie on 2 different discs, it is also an R rated movie as upposed to a UK 12.

But best of all it also works out at near as damn it the same price as the UK version.

Praise be to Warner Bros and their region free discs!!!
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#21 Posted: 14-12-2009 14:47
hanshotfirst1138
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To me, the problem with this was just that it was kind of...dull. The idea of the Road Warrior-esque future is intriguing, but I just thought that the film was rather dry and dull. McG staged his set pieces with some decent skill, but no verve at all, and the script was rather dry. I don't think that the movie was awful, but it was just kind of....dull.
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#22 Posted: 19-01-2010 14:18
maxfischer (tn)
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Nice review, Matt - an interesting and perceptive take on the film.

Regarding Maximum Movie Mode on the UK release, I found this would not play properly on my Sony BDP-S350 player either. However, once I'd updated the firmware to version 020 (released on 22/10/09 and available from the Sony Europe site) it was fine, including the Focus Points. The firmware update also adds slow-motion playback so is worth running if only for that. Hope this helps!
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# Posted: 21-09-2010 at 22:39:22
Dark_Fox
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The disc uses seamless branching and there is no edge enhancement, you must have had your controls set up on your monitor wrongly, i view at 106inches on my projector and this is one of the better transfers available.

I also enjoyed the film.
# Posted: 22-09-2010 at 00:17:42
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There is nothing wrong with my monitor settings at all, neither am I viewing on a monitor when I review a Blu-ray Disc. I too have a projector set up with a 106" screen and I can clearly see halos in this transfer, although I'm willing to accept that they may be a side effect of the green screen effects rather than EE.

People seem to have a hard time reconciling a 8/10 rating for a Blu-ray as a very good mark, but that's exactly what I meant when I gave this transfer 8/10 - ie: it is very good but not flawless, and I stand by that assessment. You can download lossless PNG grabs highlighting the compression niggles and one grab demonstrating clear halos here:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=32ZPX373
# Posted: 22-09-2010 at 09:53:20
Dark_Fox
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I did my own screencaps here.

http://www.darkrealmfox.com/film_reviews/2010/03/02/blu-ray-screencaps-terminator-salvation/

I don't see halo's at all on this transfer, maybe you are referring to something else, i'll take a look at that download though and see if i can spot what you mean.
# Posted: 22-09-2010 at 10:10:30
Dark_Fox
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Very mild halo around the bottom of the helicopter in one shot but i have seen a lot worse and mild compression artifact in another shot but other than that i see no issues, indeed the mild halo around the helicopter can be found in 99% of releases if you look for it and it's likely something to do with how the effects were shot and i bet it's also found on the cinema digital intermediate.

I disagree with your assessment about banding and thick halo's throughout this transfer, not on a calibrated display, certainly not on the rental disc i viewed. I saw banding in one shot when i raised my brightness levels but under calibrated conditions it isn't there.

Still we shall leave it at that, i'm usually critical myself but didn't notice such issues when i viewed the film, compression artifacts tend to show up more on displays which have their contrast/brightness too high ( in my opinion ) not saying your display is set up as such but you can take a number of very high profile so called reference transfers and increase the brightness and see such compression issues, the point being that under calibrated viewing conditions they do not exist on those releases.

I suggest you run a few png to jpeg conversion tests, this obsession with png being the only valid way to show a screencap gets old, a 100% quality jpeg conversion is identical to a png, try converting and see for yourself.

Ok i may be coming across harsh, reviewing isn't that easy and we all have opinions, perhaps i would find the Warner release better and 8 out of 10 is a very high score, i think in the future reviews maybe need to get away from scoring and try and look at the source and give an opinion on whether it replicates the cinematic experience, especially when discussing blu ray which is capable of giving such a film like cinema experience.
# Posted: 22-09-2010 at 13:08:42
Shingster
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Dark Fox I hope I don't come across as snotty here, but I've been reviewing Blu-rays for over a year now and DVDs for considerably longer and always take screen captures for every full-length review I make, so I can assure you I have done all manner of JPEG conversion tests and know how to calibrate my displays properly.

I thoroughly agree with you regarding overly bright displays (and the reverse is also true regarding overly dark displays) and the JPEG/PNG debate. Funnily enough the only reason I had taken and uploaded those PNG grabs in the first place was because of complaints from various members over on the AVS forums that my initial JPEG grabs could not be trusted (which I argued against of course).
# Posted: 22-09-2010 at 13:59:14
Dark_Fox
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Thats AVS for you, i also don't want to appear snotty and i think maybe i was in my post, disagreements are fine and actually healthy and i hope you didn't take offence at my post, i might try and grab the Warner disc someday and do a mouseover comparison with the Sony disc just for fun though.
# Posted: 22-09-2010 at 15:58:46
Shingster
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Oh no I didn't take offence at all to your comments, I'm perhaps a bit touchy regarding this particular review because I took a bit of stick for it back when it was written and uploaded - including being accused of deliberately marking the transfer down because I didn't like the film, whch is obviously wrong on both accounts. I've never considered it to be anything but a reasonably glowing review A/V wise, although I'll freely admit to being a very anal reviewer who will mark down and highlight aspects of a transfer that would be inconsequential to most viewers.

Like I said earlier I may be guilty of being too hard on the transfer with regards to my comments about EE, but I respectfully stand by my comments about the noise, and I'd be just as interesting in seeing a mouseover comparison to the US if anyone ever does so!


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